the same thing with joe biden. i think it's too early to determine whether either of them will run, although obviously the assumption is both of them will. regardless of what maureen dowd says, this is a race about each individual preserving their own record and their own legacy. i think it's about a clinton third term or obama third term. it's about that person running on that person's record. what susan is dealing with and what i'm dealing with in the democratic party is that the republican party it seems to me has lost its sense of seriousness with ted cruz and marco rubio to a certain extent each and rand paul who between them have, what? five years of experience in national government? the one candidate who is serious in the republican side, chris christie potentially, is not very well liked among republicans. he is better liked among democrats than independents. i think they have a real challenge on their hands. >> keith, i think you may see a real challenge when it comes to the democrats who are looking pote